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1 Archive 2 Merger 3 Bricker Amendment 4 Paragraph 5 anti war = anti glob 6 World and European Social Forum 7 The article, it is a changin' 8 Antisemitism and antiglobalization: a dishonest charge 9 senatnce needing verification 10 The anti-Semitism section should be deleted...

Archive

See also Talk:Anti-globalization movement for historical discussion of the page.

Merger

I merged anti-globalization movement. Thoughts? Sam [Spade (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&section=new)] 03:32, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Bricker Amendment

At the suggestion of User:Dandrake I wanted to make a note here--just a sentence or two-- about the Bricker Amendment as the anti-globalization movement has same concern over international organizations that prompted Bricker's proposal. But where in this would be a good place for it? PedanticallySpeaking 21:56, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Paragraph

This paragraph was removed, it needs some NPOVing:

Some, by analysing those claims and rationalizations, and what the word anti-globalization suggest, see in it a cover for the emergence of new forms of political nationalisms and economic protectionism, and for the idea that economic development and scientific and technological progress would be contrary to the true human goals.

In particular weasel term "some" needs to be clarified, who is "some"? Also, just because the term "anti-globalization" is applied to members of this movement, does not mean that those members are pro-protectionism or opposed to "economic development and scientific and technological progress". As noted elsewhere in the article, the majority of people in the "anti-globalization" movement dislike the term and disagree with what that term implies and in fact are not explicitly against globalization per se (of course there are some that are). The title is inherently non-neutral, but for better or worse the term has stuck, and so according to our naming conventions we title the article accordingly, which means we must be extra vigilant to not let the "word anti-globalization suggest" anything. --Lexor|Talk 16:20, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

anti war = anti glob

In 2003, the movement showed wide and deep global opposition to the war in Iraq. Following the most spectacular show of numbers on the weekend of February 15, when about 10 million or more anti-globalization protesters participated in global protests against war on Iraq, the New York Times dubbed the movement as the "world's second superpower".

---> I don't htink there is any relation between the Anti-gloablisation movement and the rejection of the USled war in Iraq. Needs NPOV-review. Those 10 mio people were not an anti-globalisation movement.

Furthermore there are other non western groups which also reject globalisation such as muslim extremists, this has to be mentioned as well.

don't think there is any relation between the Anti-gloablisation movement and the rejection of the USled war in Iraq.

No? Saw what I wrote on the page European Social Forum! Perhaps a NPOV version should say: antiglob. constituted an important part of the broader pacifist movement... It's sometime difficult to say if a political mobilitation is made by antiglobalists or not, since none of the organizations which forms the antiglobalization movement (except perhaps ATTAC) was founded with the explicite aim to fight globalization. The article is perhaps a little bit "US-centric", since in Europe the connection between antiglobalists and pacifists was very tight and evident. juliet.p

World and European Social Forum

I'm sorry for my bad English (I'm Italian actually). This voice seems to me rather incomplete. It doesn't speek about Social forums, which have been the most important meetings of the so-called antiglobalization mov. Furthermore, for me there is no doubt (at least for what concerns Italy and Europe) about the connection between antiglob and pacifist mov. At the first European Social Forum (FSE) in Florence there were just two conditions for the acceptation of an organization: 1 to be against the war 2 to be against neoliberalism. The most important Italian pacifist association (Emergency) was one of the partecipant of the forum and its president one of the most popular speecher. Juliet.p

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OK, I put another paragraph and changed the errors in the paragraph about Genoa (thank to God just a demonstrator was killed, not three!). Hope my English is not too bad! juliet.p

The article, it is a changin'

I hope everyone likes my new addition to the article. I also forsee many more changes to the article so it more accurately reflects a quality NPOV Wiki article and not an advertisemtn for Indemedia. Ciao. TDC 07:44, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

Antisemitism and antiglobalization: a dishonest charge

I'm sorry but your addition doesn't seem to me NPOV at all. Protest by anti globalization organization have been filled with comparisons of Israel and Nazi Germany, glorification of Palestinian terror tactics, and other openly anti Semitic imagery. During a by anti globalization protest in Milan Italy, an counter demonstrator carrying an Israeli flag was severely beaten by several of the marchers.. I'm from Italy, I symapathize for the movement (I wrote the paragraph about Social Forums), I've been to a lot of demonstration and I've never seen anything of this. I saw instead Jewish oraganizations ("ebrei contro l'occupazione") at our demonstrations, I've been at meetings, organized by the antiglob mov. with Israelian pacifists and I read interwiews with Israelian pacifists on the mov. magazines. Maybe a very very little portion of the people at the demonstration has cried stupid slogans, not because they are antisemitic, but because some extremists hate the US and see Israel as an instrument of the US. The opposers can have used these very little episodes to charge the movement with antisemitism. But I have to remind you that everybody who opposes Israel, Jews and Israelian included, has been accused of antisemitism. The position of the movement toward Israel is not very different by that of the United Nation's Assembly or the International Court of Justice, which has recently condemned the "wall", and by the position of Israelians who oppose the occupation. In Italy there has been a strong antiglob. movement, but no episode of antisemitism, except for those carried by the neofascist right, that has of course nothing to do with the movement. In France antisemitic assaults had been carried by Northafrican and Arab young immigrates, often apolitics and with no connection with the antiglob. movement.

Anyway, I remember that the problem of antisemitism has been discussed by Naomi Klein in an article appeared after the exploit of Jean-Marie Le Pen in France a few years ago. In the article she told that the movement (her included) had underestimate this question, giving for grant that antisemitism was so unpopular and confined to little groups of fascist extremists that didn't worth to protest against it. She told that the movement should do some addictional efforts to achieve the trust of Jews, whose fear of antisemitism was exploited by Israelian right. I don't now if this article is still reperible.

I think that is not NPOV to dedicate a whole paragraph to this charge. Perhaps it could be mentioned in the paragraph "critics", together with the charge of anti-americanism , which is a little bit more grounded, since many people in the movement see globalization as something sostantially ruled by the US and in the interest of the US.

If you want to discuss this questions with me you can write to me at my page of discussion on the Italian version of wikipedia. I don't understand why in on the Italian version somebody has accused me of anticommunism while here I feel a little bit the dirty communist of the situation! juliet.p

Wow! I found Naomi Klein's article almost immediatly. It was first published on The Globe and Mail the 24 of april 2002. The english version is available on no logo.org (http://nologo.org/). The Italian version (maybe nobody is intested at it, but I am!) is on internazionale's web page (http://www.internazionale.it/firme/articolo.php?id=1387)!Here's the web page of jews against the occupation (http://www.jatonyc.org/)

I reorganized a little bit the article and I put some parts that seemed to me to speak about the same things together erasing repetitions. I put some addictional sentencesin the introduction and changed the paragraphs about "antiempire" and "antisemitism" in a way that seem to me NPOV now. I didn't make changes at nothing else. I don't know if I can't remove the NPOV advice at the begininning of the page! Ciao!

I restored my version. I'm sorry for having done this, but TDC had restored his version not taking in any consideration the addictional information I furnished and my objections to his modifications. I think that my version is more neutral anyway. I have to stress that I didn't censore his photo, nor his quotation of José Bové. I would please TDC to discuss on this page his objections, rather then to put back the article on a version that seem to me to report only the point of view of fanatic critics of the movement. I hope somebody shares my view and is going to back me! Juliet.p

I think that you removed way too much material from the article. The section on anti-Semitism in the anti-globalization movement is almost notable enough to have an article all to itself, let alone a subsection in this particular article. I have no problem with you editing my additions, or posting a reply (so long as it is done in moderation) but I must object to the deletion and reincorporation in the general criticism subsections. I also have to stress that it is not your prerogative to censor anything, much less a photo or a quote. TDC 20:24, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

And you removed everything I had written! I didn't censore anything! I hope that somebody would prevent you to go on like this! (anyway, your behaviour doesn't wonder me very much, considering that you believe in the struggle of good against evil...

Heavan forbid I should beleive in something as silly as that! Viva la Capitalisme ! TDC 17:24, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Vive le Capitalisme if you wanted to write in French, or Viva il Capitalismo in Italian...

senatnce needing verification

During a by anti globalization protest in Milan, Italy, an counter-demonstrator carrying an Israeli flag was severely beaten by several of the marchers.

Please provide a cite for the above, since it is disputed. (Sam_Spade | talk | contributions) 13:22, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I made some little changes (for examples, I replaced the "glorification of Palestinians terror tattics" - that I've never heard - with "Palestinian reistence", explaining that the expression is ambiguous), and I added two paragraphs about what people in the movement think of these charges! I would like to stress that real antisemitists as Le Pen or (obviously) Hitler have never denied to be antisemitic. The paragraph seems to me now quite balanced, but I don't know what other people can think--Juliet.p 16:58, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The anti-Semitism section should be deleted...

The entire article purporting to link the so-called "anti-globalization movement" with anti-Semitism is a ridiculous joke. The slander and conscious distortions belong in a different section. What's proposed is guilt by association: sure, there are anti-Semites in the movement for global justice, just as there are anti-Semites in every movement. Many of the people involved in the pro-life/anti-abortion movement, for example, consistently compare abortion to the Shoah. Such a comparison is a sick insult to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust; nevertheless, arguments against legalized abortion have nothing to do with anti-Semitism, most of the people involved in the anti-abortion movement do not make those statements, and so the charge that the anti-abortion movement is anti-Semtiic is absurd on its face.

The author of this piece is guilty of defamation, plain and simple. The section constitutes a grotesque attempt to link critics of unregulated global capitalism to images of the Nazi extermination camps. The author's conduct is absolutely reprehensible: it cannot be justified in any imaginable way.

There's plenty of debates on this issue (see above). The first version of the paragraph was far worse... I agree with you, but since there are people who accuse the movement perhaps we should keep the paragraph. The stupidity of this charge and its clearly defamatory intention qualify themselves these people. TDC could at least cite some of his sources (if they are so many) or say who are all this people that accuse the movement of antisemitism... juliet.p

Of course it can be justified. There are more than enough sources for this allegation to make it noteworthy. This and this alone is the primary reason I included it. If you don’t like it, tough. TDC 14:04, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)