Background
The background was rather sparse, missing many of the most famous attacks on Israel by Palestians from Lebanon, though it did seem to cover the most famous attacks by Israel on Palestinian or Lebanese targets. I've put in the major incidents in chronological order, incorporating all the existing material, as follows:
- On 26 December 1968 two Palestinian gunmen travelled from Beirut to Athens, and attacked an El Al jet there killing 1 person. In response, on 28 December 1968 Israeli Defense Force (IDF) troops destroyed 13 civilian aircraft in Beirut International Airport.
- On 8 May 1970 three Palestinian gunmen crossed the Lebanese border into the agricultural community of Avivim and ambushed the local schoolbus, killing nine children and three adults, and crippling 19 other children.
- Three PLO figures were assassinated in Beirut on 10 April 1973.
- On 11 April 1974 three members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine infiltrated Kiryat Shmona from Lebanon, killing eighteen residents of an apartment building, including nine children; the terrorists were eventually killed in an exchange of fire with IDF forces.
- On 15 May 1974 members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) who had infiltrated the Israeli border town of Ma'alot from Lebanon, killing five adults and taking grade 11 children in a local school hostage. They eventually shot 21 of the children, before being killed by IDF soldiers.
- On 5 March 1975 eight PLO gunmen travelled from Lebanon to Tel Aviv by sea in a rubber dinghy, entered the Savoy Hotel and took dozens of hostages. During the rescue mission three IDF soldiers were killed and eight hostages wounded; the PLO gunmen retreated to a room and attempted to blow themselves up, killing eight hostages and wounding 11, as well as killing seven of the POLO gunmen.
- On 11 March, 1978, 9 Fatah gunmen killed several tourists and hijacked a bus near Haifa. The bus was stormed by the IDF soldiers. The gunmen and all 37 Israelis were killed.
Jayjg 20:13, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Not good enough. None of your additions have sources, not even the usual partisan websites. If you don't have sources, we can't take the word of somebody who has repeatedly made false claims (such as that the IRC only counted 320 bodies at Sabra and Shatila).
- And please refrain from abusing admin rollback. You're hurting Wikipedia. --style 11:49, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)
- Wait a minute, are you denying that these events occured? See List of terrorist incidents [1] (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/terror1952_1989.html) [2] (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/time70s.html)[3] (http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Arab-Israeli_Conflict_4_The_Birth_of_Terrorism.asp)[4] (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_terrorism_1970s.php)[5] (http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=751&x_context=2) The 320 number for the IRC rep was sourced; it actually comes from an exhibit submitted to the Kahan Commission. As for unsourced and false claims, it was actually the claim that the ICRC counted over 2,000; where is that document? Jayjg 19:40, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Partisan websites such as Jewish virtual library and Palestine facts are not credible sources. You need to find a credible source, like I have provided.
- And, again, this page is about Operation Litani, not about patterns you imagine you see in PLO's behaviour. If you want to start an article about [[PLO's bloodthirsy child killing patterns]], feel free to take a fling at it, and include the material there. As it is, it is a theory about the PLO, not information about Operation Litani. Please stop intersting extraneous political agenda information in this article. (Sound familiar?) --style 23:31, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)
- The multiple websites provided are more credible than anything you've provided; if you doubt the veracity of any of the incidents listed please explain which one and why. The background section about Operation Litani is about the background to Operation Litani, which is a series of incidents between Palestinian groups in Lebanon and Israel. The section itself already listed a number of incidents between Palestinian groups in Lebanon and Israel, going back for many years. I filled in the other major incidents. What would you suggest instead? As for your "analogy", weak as always; this is an article about an on-going conflict, not a biography of an individual. Jayjg 23:58, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Do you seriously believe that those blatantly partisan websites are more credible than Robert Fisk, an internationally claimed war reporter? I cannot understand that position. I cannot accept your version, you have not put your cites in the article itself, and, worse, you removed one of my cites again, for reasons I cannot gather. --style 10:51, 2004 Oct 25 (UTC)
- Fisk is well known for his highly political views; he is anything but impartial. In any event, I've provided sources, if you have sources which contradict them, feel free to provide them as well. Jayjg 16:13, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Oh, and I've put your cite it; I'm glad to see you're willing to modify the previous false statement you had entered. Jayjg 16:24, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Well can't see why it is POV while an important discussions was made in the talk section.
If one part of the discussion quits due to huge pressions against him, and beacuase he knew that he can't "fight" alone the disinformation made by a well-established zionist "mafia" in wikeipedia, that doesn't mean that the article is disputed.
And why just revert the article? You can delete the npov, and keep the other info. The other info are more trustful then the list of incidents you (or others) "create" and put without any trustful link provided.
The backgroung section is known for any person who can think, that is is made like that to justify the invasion (and justify the kill of lebanese civilians).. If you want to put a background, put an exact background.. Like why paestinians act from lebanon (and not from jordany), and why they attack Israel (you didn't say they were kicked from their land in 1948)... You didn't say about the israeli attacks against lebanon before the invasion and etc....
lots of things you should put you didn't.. and when people try to put them, you just revert them//
Not very NPOV for me... Addoula 10:23, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- It's not my responsibility (or any other editor's) to NPOV someone else's edits; rather, it is their responsibility to edit in a NPOV way to begin with. If there is other relevant information that should be entered, and is entered in a NPOV way, then I'm all for it. And please review the Wikipedia:No personal attacks policy. Jayjg | (Talk)</sup> 17:06, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Those attacks are REAL and happened... don't just delete them saying "give sources".. Tell me how can i found an internet link, from an English website that talk about that? In 1978, there were no online newspapers, there was no internet at all...
- And about the attacks against israel, can you provide a source? (not an israeli or zionist source, just an independant source) can you? i think not... And i am NOT attacking you... just look at NPOV and NPOV_dispute, you may understand better what is NPOV... Addoula 17:40, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Your claims are very specific; they state casualty numbers, and that the casualties were all "civilians". Please provide sources for these claims; a quick internet check was not able to turn up any of them. If you can't provide any references, I will be forced to delete them again as unsubstantiated. Jayjg | (Talk)</sup> 17:52, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- My dear friend... the people killed were all civilians, they were not palestinians, neither policemen, and not from the lebanese army. Hezbollah didn't exist at that time... If you want some links, here is some : [6] (http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/lebanon.htm) [7] (http://allaahuakbar.net/jew/israeli_massacres.htm) [8] (http://www.deathmasters.com/) ... And don't say they are the lebanese or arab point of view... Generally those "small" massacres and attacks are not published in american websites, they only publishe massacre with more then 50 people killed, like the qana massacre, or they publish more recent attacks (since internet is widely used)... Addoula 10:05, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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