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See: WikiProject Saints.
Incredible amount of work here:)
This definition still isn't good enough: isn't Francis the patron saint of animals?
T-zero
What about Albertus Magnus?
Patron of the chemists. He was alchemist. He described the Arsenic so clearly that it is usually thought he discovered it (as mentioned by Isaac Asimov in "A short history of chemistry").
St Andrew (the Apostle)
In the patron saint of countries section, St Andrew and Andrew the Apostle need to be merged as they appear to be the same person according to the St Andrew article and my own limited knowledge. DavidScotson 15:42, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Mary as patron saint
A recent edit removed the references to Mary and substituted: "The Blessed Virgin Mary is only a Patron of a place in the sense that she is the Patron of All Things blessed and good. Her virginity is famed." That new comment obviously can't stand as is (very POV), but the more important issue is the deletion of the many specific designations. If they're not appropriate for this article, should they be added to the Blessed Virgin Mary article? I've raised the question on Talk:Blessed Virgin Mary as well. JamesMLane 14:52, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Mary is considered the patron saint of many countries (usually under a specific title: Immaculate Conception for U.S.A. and Korea, Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe for Mexico and all America, Nossa Senhora di Buon Aparecida for Brazil, and so forth). I think the page should be restored, maybe with dividing them up into the correct titles. Or to placate the editor who made the change, make a new section "Countries under Mary's patronage", listing them by the proper title. Note that several items that were left in the list by the editor are actually appearances of Mary. -- Mpolo
I believe strongly that the deleted information should be available somewhere -- back where it was, or in a separate section in this article as you suggest, or ported over to the Blessed Virgin Mary article. I don't know nearly enough to adjudicate among these possibilities, though. Someone should be bold and put it somewhere. Meanwhile, I'm taking out the puffery about her virginity. JamesMLane 13:27, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- OK, I decided to "be bold"... Essentially, I just restored what was removed in a different format and in separate sections. Under "Countries and places", I removed from the "generic" list of Marian patronage any place that was listed under a more specific title. I removed most of the links to the titles, as they are unlikely to ever be written, though I left links to some of the better known or more popular titles of the Blessed Virgin. Does it look O.K.? Mpolo 11 Aug 2004
It looks OK to me, but I really am out of my depth here. You've definitely rescued some information (specific titles and associations) that would've otherwise been lost, so you've improved the article, which is the key test. If it's not perfect, maybe some real expert in Mariology will come along and fix it sometime. JamesMLane 07:41, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Saint arnold - patron saint of brewers?
Is Saint arnold a real saint? A patron saint of brewers or just a joke? Is he already on this list under a different name? - Tεxτurε 18:45, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- It's always hard to be sure about these things... Catholic Online http://www.catholic.org/ hasn't heard of him.
- At [1] (http://www.beerhistory.com/library/holdings/patron_saints.shtml) he is cited thus:
- "Don't drink the water, drink beer" warned Saint Arnold of Metz (b. 580 AD, d. 640), concerned about the dangers of drinking impure water. He believed that the polluted water caused illness, while the boiled and processed water used for beer was a safer alternative. According to legend he ended a plague when he submerged his crucifix into a brew kettle and persuaded people to drink only beer from that "blessed" kettle. He is reported to have said "From man's sweat and God's love, beer came into the world".
- There are multiple versions of a tale about his providing beer to the people. The story is told of porters moving his body after building a tomb for his relics/bones for people to visit. A tired porter overcome with heat uttered a plea to God for a cool refreshing beer. No sooner had this request been made than copious amounts of cold beer shot out of the casket they carried, drenching all and quenching their thirst.
- There is a Houston microbrewery called http://www.saintarnold.com/, which at one time had a page on the "Legend of St. Arnold" which echoed this thing from "Beer History", but they have removed the page...
- However, at [2] (http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainta25.htm) I find real evidence of the existence of "Arnold of Metz" or "Arnulf of Metz", but no mention of brewers. That lead me to [3] (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01752b.htm), which also has no mention of brewers. There is one more site linked from DMOZ / Google directory on St. Arnulf (well two actually, but one is dead), also no mention of brewery.
- Hence, my theory is that St. Arnold of Metz as patron of brewers is an invention of the St. Arnold microbrewery that got picked up in various corners of the Internet. I am going to edit the offending article accordingly. Mpolo 19:14, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
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