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An event mentioned in this article is an August 29 selected anniversary.
...192.17 deleted some text from the page - wonder why; should it perhaps be reverted? Krupo 04:14, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
Someone has removed the text again, calling it an "irrelevant rant." I don't think it's irrelevant at all. Embarassing to the academy? Most likely, but not a reason to just wipe out an entire section on a notable, if sad, part of the academy's history. Krupo 20:36, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
Links to NYT's articles
The links to New York Times articles go to the article after you register for a free subscription. Another alternative is to comment the references out or put them in a references section, but they should not be removed. Fred Bauder 01:32, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
It is embarrassing to the academy, its reference should be smaller, or it should be its own article. The depth of the article in other areas are not proportionate to the reference to the rapes at the academy. Futuremore, the article could touch on some of the recent female academy graduates that are rhodes scholars. Instead, of just the rapes. What is this -- some sort of
- Im sure you meant well, but I think this reference links are against Wiki policy since they link to an external site asking one to sign up for a service or product. Here is what I got when I hit the link on the references:
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- It then followed with over a page of information about how to sign up for the New York Times. this is not good as a reference link. The material from the references needs to be either cited directly in the article or another link provided which takes one straight to the information mentioned in the article and not to the New York Times Sign-up Page. -Husnock 17Jan2005
I am not aware of any such policy; while I am very much aware of our difficulties with citing sources for our information. Yes, that is what you get if you have no account, but for those who do it simply leads to the article. I will comment out the references for a while while you try to back up your claim there is a policy which forbids references to New York Times articles. At the end of a week I will put them back in if you can't back up your claim. Fred Bauder 12:02, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
I didn't do exactly what I said I would do. And what I did is not necessarily in line with Wikipedia policy which is in the process of development at Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check and codified (to the extent it is) at Wikipedia:Cite sources. Fred Bauder 14:31, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
- I have asked some administrators to give a clear definition, but I think the geenral rule is that one cannot put a link in a Wiki article that links to an external site asking one to sign up for a service or product. While I have not seen that in cold black and white, I have seen a lot of people make big deals over product links in other articles. What you did with the footnotes looks really good, though. Thanks. -Husnock
As you can imagine, I read the Times and often use material in their articles in articles. They do charge for the full text of older articles, but the Times is one of the more valuable resources. It is different from a link to a site that sells cars or cheese. Fred Bauder 12:32, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
Women at the Academy 47% of the Body of this Article describes rapes at the Academy
This Article is way too disproportionate and consequently not neutral. The Article is supposed to describe the Academy however it centers on Women at the Academy, and more specifically the recent rapes that have occurred that the academy. While I believe it is pertinent for this encyclopedia to touch this topic, I believe that this reference should be its own article, or it should be a smaller more proportionate reference The United States Air Force Academy has been an institution for half a century and has produced world class officers. This article should either go more into the academy in general. Or the Women at the Academy Should be a separate article. Im going to make changes. Hope you agree. Scott
For most the rape situation is probably more important than academics or football, but feel free to expand the information included in the article, add some pictures, lists of graduates, etc. That will reduce the percentage of the article devoted to rape. Fred Bauder 18:43, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
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